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Пума

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Пума, или горный лев, кугуар (Puma concolor) — второй по величине представитель семейства кошачьих в Америке; крупнее неё только ягуар. Четвертая по величине кошка в мире. Кугуар в зависимости от подвида достигает в длину от 150 до 275 см, среди которой хвост составляет 63—95 см, высота в холке коллеблится от 60 до 90 см, вес самцов от 53 до 100 к, а самок от 29 до 64 кг. Масса крупнейшего кугуара составляла 120 кг. Тело у пумы гибкое и удлинённое, лапы невысокие, голова сравнительно небольшая. Задние лапы заметно массивнее передних. Хвост длинный, мускулистый, равномерно опушённый. Мощные предплечья и шея служат для завала и удерживания крупной добычи, клыки используются для захвата, и протыкания кожи и мышц, маленькие резцы служат для удаления шерсти или перьев с добычи. Мех у пум густой, но короткий и грубый. Наряду с ягуарунди, пумы — единственные американские кошки, которые окрашены однотонно; отсюда научное название этого вида concolor, которое переводится с латыни как «одноцветный». Известно о существовании светлых и даже белых пум, а также тёмно-коричневых, встречающихся преимущественно в Латинской Америке (последние были описаны Ж. Бюффоном как couguar noire). Пумы-альбиносы и меланисты в природе неизвестны. Охотится пума преимущественно по ночам. Её рацион состоит в основном из копытных: чернохвостых, белохвостых, пампасовых оленей, вапити (американский благородный олень), лосей, карибу, толсторогов и домашнего скота. Однако пума может питаться самыми разнообразными животными — от мышей, белок, опоссумов, кроликов, ондатр, поркупинов, канадских бобров, енотов, скунсов, броненосцев до койотов, рысей и других пум.

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Леопард (Panthera pardus) - вид хищных млекопитающих семейства кошачьих, один из четырёх представителей рода пантера (Panthera), относящегося к подсемейству больших кошек.
Крупная кошка, однако, по величине значительно меньше тигра и льва. Тело вытянутое, мускулистое, несколько сжатое с боков, лёгкое и стройное, очень гибкое, с длинным хвостом (его длина составляет больше половины всей длины тела). Лапы относительно короткие, но сильные, передние мощные и широкие. Голова относительно небольшая, округлая. Мех равномерный по длине по всему телу, относительно короткий и плотно прилегающий, не пышный даже в зимнее время. Шерсть грубая, густая, короткая.
Общий тон окраски меха светлый, основной фон — жёлтый или рыже-жёлтый с небольшими чёрными пятнами, образующими кольцевые фигуры со светлой серединой.
Длина тела без хвоста - 90-180 см, (в среднем 160 см) длина хвоста 60-110 см. Масса самок - 32-65 кг, самцов - 60-75 кг и выше, максимум - 90 кг. В среднем, высота самцов в холке достигает 70-80 см. Высота в холке наиболее мелких особей самок достигает лишь 45 см. Питается леопард в основном копытными: антилопами, оленями, косулями и другими, а в период бескормицы — грызунами, обезьянами, птицами, пресмыкающимися. Иногда нападает на домашних животных (овец, лошадей).

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Трудно сказать, кто победит, но мы сделаем это!

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Леопард убивал тигра, который ещё тяжелее и убивал/прогонял льва. Ему не помешал размер этих гигантов среди кошачьих.

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Источник? В написании статьи учту. Пума меньше тигра и льва, следовательно, ловче.

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Black Tiger написал(а):

Леопард убивал тигра, который ещё тяжелее и убивал/прогонял льва. Ему не помешал размер этих гигантов среди кошачьих.

Да? Тогда пума убивала гризли (если не веришь - потом скину ссылку). Леопард убивал сонного/ослабленного/на половину живого/до смерти голодного тигра. Либо мелкого тигра. Против нормального, крупного тигра леопард шансов не имеет.
Напомню, что в этой схватке решает все далеко не размер, так как в равных размерах они почти равны по силе.

Отредактировано Alligator (07-05-2014 18:25)

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Откуда ты знаешь, что они почти равны? Как раз в равных размерах преимущество по агрессии будет на стороне леопарда. Но до статьи не хочу подробно спорить. Да и ни тигров, ни гризли не убивали.

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То, что они в равных размерах равны - Павел и Никита говорят (по-твоему, как понимаю, они адекватные люди). Тебе скинуть случай, как пума гризли убила?

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Павлов не знаю. Никита - кугуарофан. В агрессии леопард возьмёт преимущество.

Да, скинуть.

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Lasmelan, пума - тоже достаточно агрессивное животное. Не спорю, леопард - более агрессивный зверь, но не стоит делать из пумы по характеру "трусливую кошечку". В некоторых случаях она способна отстоять добычу у взрослого гризли, не говоря уже про защиту молодняка.

В равных размерах - действительно, примерное равенство. К слову, большие клыки и мощный череп помешают леопарду сделать захват горла пумы, учитывая еще и густой мех последней.

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В равных размерах да, почти равенство, ставлю на леопарда.

Обычно пума убегает от людей и собак.

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Как по мне ничья размеры равные. 120 кг для пумы аномально крупный вес. Неизвестно как это скажется на подвижности. В стычках похожих соперников обычно всё решает личный опыт и боевой настрой.

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Нет, не равные. 90 кг для леопарда, 120 кг для пумы.

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Lasmelan написал(а):

Павлов не знаю. Никита - кугуарофан. В агрессии леопард возьмёт преимущество.

Да, скинуть.

Вот (здесь и случаи не только как пума убивала именно гризли):
1.) Cougar kills black bear in fight to the death.

One oft-mentioned tussle between a black bear and a cougar was apparently observed by Major John C. Cremony, who served with the U.S. Boundary Commission in the Southwest Between 1849 and 1951. Cremony, accompanied by Apache guides, had been hunting cougars along the Pecos in the vicinity of what is now Ft. Sumner when the group heard a dreadful but unidentifiable sound. Curious as to what could be making such noises and seeking out the source, they came upon a life-and-death battle between a cougar and a black bear. The bear was quite evidently not enthused about the encounter and would have liked to have broken off hostilities and gone away, but the cougar was apparently deeply intent upon killing the bear. After a number of skirmishes, the cougar successfully clawed through the bear's vital organs. After despatching the bear, the cougar licked its wounds, took hold of the bear's carcass, and dragged it to a more secluded place, where it began to cover the carcass for a later meal. It was at this point that one of the Apache guides killed the cougar.

~ Cremony, Life Among the Apaches, 1951, 225-26, a reprint of the 1868 edition.

2.)Female Cougar and Grizzly Bear fight.

Ernest Thompson Seton (1929, 90-91) writes that G. W. Ferguson "recorded" a fight between a grizzly and a female cougar that was witnessed by two miners working a claim near Murry, Idaho. It was reported that a female cougar had a den and kittens in the vicinity, and when a grizzly, apparently unknowingly, approached the den, the mother cougar attacked the grizzly. During what the miners described as a fierce battle, the combatants fell off a mountain ledge and both where killed as a result of the fall. The miners claimed the cougar was still hanging on to the grizzly's cheek with her teeth; the bears back and throat were torn and lacerated and "his belly hide ripped into ribbons, mute evidence of the fact that all her paws with their 18 sharp claws had not been idle" (612).

~ Ernest Thompson Seton (1929, 90-91)

3.) Another instance of deadly confrontation between a cougar and black bear took place some time prior to 1800 near Schuylerville, now Saratoga, New York. An early settler, Mynheer Barhydt, had just built a cabin within Bear Swamp and witnessed the battle. Barhydt indicated that the bear had discovered the cougar's den and, in the absence of the mother cougar, killed the cougar's young. Soon thereafter, the cougar arrived and attacked the bear, reportedly with an awesome display of fury. The cougar eventually implanted her claws so deply in adversary's body that the bear could not throw her off. In the struggle, which Barhydt claimed lasted more than an hour, the two animals rolled over each other into a ravine, and when all became still Barhydt looked down, over the edge, and saw both animals were dead. (Stone 1975, 137-39, and Bradley 1940, 116).



4.) "According to Frank Post of Big Sur, mountain lions sometimes were taken in the live traps built near Monterey to catch bears for the arena. Then a bear-and-lion fight would be aranged. Mr. Post saw such a contest at Castroville in 1865 when he was six years old, and remembered it vividly. The lion, which seemed to have no fear, leaped onto the bear's back and while clinging there and facing forward scratched the grizzly's eyes and nose with its claws. The bear repeatedly rolled over onto the ground to rid himself of his adversary; but as soon as the bear was upright, the cat would leap onto his back again. This agility finally decided the struggle in favor of the lion."

(California Grizzly, Tracy Irwin Storer)

5.) "The Indians of California told stories of fights between grizzly bears and lions, with the lion normally the winner, and hunters and others relate stories of fierce conflicts with no clearcut winner, and most often two losers. They describe them as terribly noisy fights with the ground torn up where the skirmishes occurred. The bear would rise to meet the cat's thrusts and throw the cat to the ground. The cat would grasp the bear near the throat and use its hind feet to rake the bear's stomach and chest. The bear was stronger, but the clawing of the cat was highly effective, injuring the bear and causing it to release its holds. Normally they would part, both bloody and battered and neither the winner."

(The Great Bear Almanac)

6.) "Three California accounts detail something of the antagonism between the grizzly and the mountain lion, or panther. Livingston Stone (1883 : 1189) was told by the McCloud River Indians that the panther always killed the grizzly when the two fought. They said that the grizzly was afraid of the lion and that the latter would spring on the bear's shoulders and cut its throat. Stone saw places in the mountains where the ground had been torn up, evidence of a desperate conflict between a panther and a bear. The Indians said they had found bears killed by panthers but no panther a bear had killed."

(California Grizzly)

7.) An actual bear-and-panther fight in the central coast region was watched in the 1840's. Three hunters, originally seeking a female grizzly with cubs, had been grounded by the escape of their horses. Going cautiously along a creek bordered by willows and grapevines, they approached a waterfall that plunded into a green, transparent pool over which a large tree had fallen.
“With the sounds of the torrent came . . . the growls of two wild beasts, alternate and furious.
On the right hand, squatted on one end of the bridge, was a small, male grizzly, and opposite to him, at the other end, a fully grown panther, who was tearing up the bark of the trunk, and gathering and relaxing herself as if for a spring. The alternate roaring of these infuriated beasts filled the valley with horrible echoes. We watched them a minute or more. The bear was wounded, a large flap of flesh torn over its left eye, and the blood dripping into the pool. My companion bade me shoot the tiger, while he [Colin Preston] took charge of the bear. We fired at the same instant; but, instead of falling, these two forest warrior rushed together at the centre of the bridge, the bear rising and opening to ceceive the tiger, who fixed her mighty jaws in the throat of her antagonist, and began kicking at his bowels with the force of an engine. At the instant both rolled over, plunged, and disappeared. We could see them struggling in the depths of the pool; bubbles of air rose to the surface, and the water became dark with gore. It may have been five minutes or more before they floated up dead, and their bodies rolled slowly down the stream. (Anon., 1857 : 823., California Grizzly)

8.) Another natural fight between grizzly and mountain lion was described in the San Bernardino Argus of 1873 (Ingersoll, 1904 : 371):
Some hunters were witness to a desperate fight in the San Jacinto mountains, the other day, between a mountain lino and a bear. The fight is described as terrific. The superior strength of the beat easily enabled him to throw his antagonist down, but the latter used his paws and jaws so fearfully that the bear could not keep him under. Both animals were covered with blood. They fought till both were exhausted, when the lion dragged himself off to the jungle, leaving the bruno in possession of the field.

~ California Grizzly

9.) "A FIGHT TO A FINISH BETWEEN A BEAR AND PANTHER
By S. C. Turnbo

I am told that one who never witnessed a struggle between a bear and panther can hardly realize the strength put forth and the ferocity exhibited by these animals. A combat between them is so desperate, and to watch them as they tear each other’s flesh with teeth and claws and see the blood stream from countless wounds and hear their ferocious snarls and growls is indeed blood curdling. Though the writer never witnessed such a sight but from accounts given him by settlers and hunters many encounters of this kind have occurred and I have written down a few of the more interesting accounts to show the awful struggles between these animals for the mastery when they get in each other’s way. Among these is one given me by Mr. Gideon Baughman who lived on Crooked Creek seven miles below Harrison, Arkansas. He related the story to me in July, 1896, a short while before his death. He told the story in the following way. "When I was a boy my parents lived in Iron County, Missouri. I was just old enough to take a lively interest in hunting for game. The country there was new then with plenty of small game as well as bears and panther. One time while hunting near a narrow creek or slough called Cranes Pond I heard loud growls which evidently were produced by enraged animals. The noise seemed to be at the pond. Though only a boy my curiosity was aroused to know what sort of wild animals had met and were about to get into a fight. Advancing cautiously until I saw what they were I was surprised to see a bear and panther on a log which lay across the creek where the water was about 25 feet deep. The animals had approached the log from opposite sides of the creek and they both wanted to cross over on the log but each was in the other’s way. When I came in sight of them the bear was sitting on the log over the water and the panther was on the other end of the log advancing slowly toward the bear. Both animals seemed to be in a rage and were growling fiercely. When the panther got in reach of the bear the latter struck it a terrific blow with his paw which sent it into the water with a splash. But quickly recovering it swam out on the same side it started from and leaping on the log walked fearlessly up to the bear again. But bruin was ready and with another severe blow sent the panther back into the water, but immediately it swam back to the same bank it started from. When the bear struck it the second time the former dropped on his feet and walked across the log. As the panther leaped up the bank the bear had reached the end of the log and here they met on the bank and without further ceremony both animals clinched together in a savage combat.

It was terrible to witness. They growled, whined, bit and clawed until their hair was red with blood. Neither one seemed to want to show the white feather. After they had fought several minutes the bear caught the panther in his hug in such a way that the panther’s back lay against the bear’s breast. Then another scene followed. The bear sat on his haunches and as he tightened his embrace his antagonist surged desperately to release itself. For a while it seemed that the bear would come out victorious, but with a desperate struggle the panther succeeded in turning its body face to face with the bear. Then ensued the greatest scene of the fight. The panther with the sharp claws on its hind feet ripped the bear open and let out its entrails. At this bruin uttered a piteous noise and seemed to realize that he was done for, and with a last effort he crushed the panther so hard that it was unable to make further resistance. The bear released his hold and both animals sank to the ground in the agony of death. Bruin died first but his enemy lived but a minute or two after. They had fought to a finish and ceased to be in each other’s way. Both animals were of medium size and in good condition. I went home for assistance and we skinned the panther and took the bear home and used the meat. Since that time," remarked Mr. Baughman, "I have witnessed many hard fights between animals but the encounter between the bear and panther was the fiercest and most bloody I ever witnessed between domestic or wild animals."

http://thelibrary.org/lochist/turnbo/V15/ST444.html

10.) FINDING A PANTHER GUARDING A DEAD BEAR
By S. C. Turnbo

In the month of July, 1824, Jane Coker, Joe’s eldest sister, married Charley Sneed. Neighbors lived far apart then but a few days before the wedding came off Buck Coker sent for his friends to come and be present when his daughter and Charley were united in the bonds of matrimony. Among Coker’s most intimate friends was Payton Keesee and he was among the invited guests. Elias Keesee informed me that he was two months old when this occurred and that his parent told him that it was a hot July day’s ride through the wild woods from where they lived on Little North Fork to where Buck Coker lived at the lower end of the Jake Nave Bend on White River to be present at that wedding on the following day. Soon after the marriage Sneed and his wife located on Osage Creek seven miles west of Carrollton. Sneed’s residence stood on the road leading from Carrollton to Huntsville and near the mouth of a hollow called Jews Harp. Sneed and the Cokers, in visiting each other, beat out a trailway. The country looked so wild then that it made the visitors feel lonely to pass through back and forth between the Sugar Loaf country and Osage Creek. On a certain time Joe Coker paid his sister and brother-in-law a visit and as usual he had gone alone. Two years afterward he told the story of this journey through the wilds of Carroll County to Dave McCord, and Mr. McCord related it to the writer and here is the way it was told me. Mr. Coker said that he did not take the precaution to carry a gun with him on that trip but he met nothing serious until on his way back home. "While I was riding down Lead Mine Hollow which flows into West Sugar Loaf Creek on the west side," said Uncle Joe, "I saw a huge panther crouched down at the side of a dead bear which lay at the foot of a post oak tree that stood at the side of the pathway. The panther was guarding the bear. The two savage animals had met here and engaged in a terrific fight and the bear was killed. The scene of the encounter was in a small prairie bottom with a few scattering trees and nearly Ѕ of a mile above the mouth of the hollow. I rode up as close as I dared to view the ferocious beast and its dead adversary and the spot where they had fought. The panther showed much anger at being disturbed and growled fiercely and rose on his feet and threatened to spring at me. I needed no second warning and gave the enraged beast plenty of room at once and it lay down again at the side of its dead victim. The grass under the tree was all mashed down and stained with blood and the hair on both animals was red with blood. It was evident that they had met here and fought only a few hours previous to my arrival. Part of the outside bark of the tree was raked off from about two feet above the ground to four and five feet up the tree trunk. Evidently when the bear found that he was receiving the worst end of the fight he had attempted to escape up the tree but his powerful antagonist had pulled him back and he had clawed the bark off with his paws in trying to hold to the tree while the panther was preventing him from going up the tree. Appearances indicated that the bear had made several efforts to climb the tree before his enemy finally killed him." Mr. Coker said that when he left them and went on home he intended to return back with gun and dogs and try to kill the panther, but on his arrival at home something occurred which prevented him from going back. Mr. McCord said that Uncle Joe gave him this account in 1838. The combat between the wild beasts took place two years before or in 1836. "Coker’s story aroused my curiosity," said Mr. McCord, "and in company with my brother, John McCord, I visited the spot where Coker told me the right occurred and we found evidence of the combat was still visible. The marks on the tree made by the bear’s claws showed very plain and the shattered bark which had escaped destruction from the forest fires since the fight lay around the roots of the tree, and a few of the bear’s bones were found in the grass under the tree. Doubtless if Coker had reached there sooner he would have witnessed a terrible scene of savagery, blood and war between these angered animals of the forest."
http://thelibrary.org/lochist/turnbo/V12/ST363.html

http://www.freewebs.com/mountainlionsinf

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Возможные, но не обязательно достоверные случаи. лучше не учитывать возможную информацию.

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Я даже самым недостоверным источникам именно по поводу схваток почти всегда доверяю.

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При написании статьи с количественным соотношением шансов это лучше не учитывать.

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Lasmelan, обычно пума, подобно леопарду и тигру ворует собак.) Бегство на открытой местности от псовых свойственно также и леопарду, ну, а людей много какие животные боятся.

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Ну этим я не знаю, доверять или нет.

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Добавлена статья.

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Отличная статья.

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Спасибо, что понравилась.

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Я, однако, за леопарда.


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